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ricky

al your already know how i feel about sean i would hate to see him go.i would much rather see boone go. is sean really doing that bad in the summer league?i haven't seen any game at all.if boone is here i think he should come off the bench cause i think lopez right now is better than him.boone is an average defender and rebounder.i like our team and i do believe we're gonna make the playoffs and shock alot of people.

wow

ricky, sorry bruh but what are you smokin'?

Get rid of Boone for Seam Will? Boone had a gang of double doubles and a bunch huge games for the Nets. I was with you about not dealing Sean, but you are WAY off point when it comes to Boone. Boone in a BETTER than average defender and a solid rebounder.

It seems to me that you just don't like Boone for some irrational non-basketball reason. When you say that Lopez should start over him because he is better just proves my point. We have never seen Lopez play a single NBA game.

No hard feelings as one Net fan to another, but stop reaching and let the experts, Thorn, Vandeweghe, and Frank handle their business.

Mr. Dollar Bills

Sad to hear the Nets are looking to move Sean, but if I had to choose between SWAT or Josh Boone, I go with Boone. Boone IMO has proven that he is capable of being a starting C/PF in this league, i don't trade away a guy who is a sure double double and pin my hopes on a raw, athletic project.

Boone will have a solid year especially now that we have players that the defense will have to respect on the perimeter. I predict 13ppg 9-10rpg for Josh. Hopefully Josh has worked on adding a move on offense and worked on those FTs because if he can hit at least 75% of those he will be putting up some nice numbers.

Will

Your team sucks. When Yi Jianlian is a projected starter, you know you have problems.

MarkT

Agree with Will. You are kidding yourself Al if you think this is a playoff team. They don't have enough scoring. Having 8 guys who score 5-9 points a game is not a viable NBA roster. If VC goes down for any reason, they won't be able to break 80.

Also, I am very disappointed they are giving up on Sean so early. I was not a big fan of drafting him bec of the character issues - I preferre Jason Smith and Big Baby - but what was the point of drafting him to give up on him so soon? He has performed exactly as should have been expected. He needs to grow up. But he has Josh Smith upside and doesn't cost much and this team is not going anywhere in the next 2 years anyway so why not let him learn? Terrible misuse of resources by the team.

Ben

Why is everyone so worried about scoring? First of all, you win with D - not points. Second, which of these lineups is more offensively challenged:
Kidd
VC
RJ
Boone/SWill/?

or

Devin
VC
Simmons
Yi
Boone

The only position we lost offense was the 3, and Devin and and Yi will more than make up for that. Lopez will help a lot coming off the bench. But if Swill is so much better than Boone, why is he playing mediocre summer ball with marcus while Boone is back home preparing to take the next step for the Nets. Trade Swift and Williams to Memphis for Crittendon!!!!!

Tim

Yea, I think people are forgetting how terrible our team was last year. JCollins was starting. That's like 2 ppg from a starter. You take out RJ's 20ppg and Collins' 2ppg and put in 10-15ppg from Yi and 10+ppg from Simmons and you got a viable alternative to last year.

bballscientist-

The fact that the Nets would even consider trading Sean Williams tells you that they're either sick of his behavior, or still not happy with his work ethic

alex

if they trade sean williams, thats just a terrible move.For these reasons:
1. the guy has CRAZY upside and can be really good if he wants,and you guys are saying boone is alot more valuable i totally disagree as you can find so many players who clean up the glass a little bit andbe an alright finisher and not shoot ferom beyond 5 feet. Im not sayin hes bad but u can find alot of josh boonesque players in this league.
2.He's on a small rookie contract, i mean for how much potentail this guy has they want to move his little 2yr 3 mil contract? i mean i thought we wanted lebron? We would definitley not get equal value in return.
3. The guy is so so so fun to watch. Remeber wen he was starting and havin like 3-4 BPG? that was insane he would just fly out of nowhere, so basically he also has great potential to sell tickets with his shot blocking ability.
4. He is EL SWATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO/ AREA51. dont mess with him.

The point im trying to make is theres no reason to give up on him and he has soooooooooo much potential. Rod/ Kiki if you trade him you should stay awake at night

mina

al,

you were right on with marcus for a pick, which i think they will learn to regret it.

trading sean maks absolute no sense in basketball terms.

he just finished his rookie year. why in the hell would they give up on him, makes no sense.

we all know frank cant stand the guy, but thats not a good enough reason.

i dont think anybody can doubt this kid's upside. he just needs to be taught well. he needs to have some more experience. the organization needs to tell him that they beleive in him, and that thy are behind him.

just cause this coaching staff is so weak when it comes to player development, it doesnt mean that they should give up on him.

this is a rebuilding team. sean fits the bill of players they want.

he needs guidance and leadership. he needs to play through mistakes.

and in summer lague, every tuime he set the pick, he was ignored when he was open. nobody passed the ball in summer league. it was pathetic.

boone is solid, but you cant compare both players upside. at best boone will be a backup forward, and sean has allstar potential.

marcus will make frabk look bad in GS. he will thrive and play to his capabilites. somtimes younsgters take time. but it seems that they dont have patience here.

uif they trade sean, they will surely pay for it. and frank will payy the most, for his incompetence with youngsters.

what if brook and anderson take tim. will they give them away after their first years.

also, boone is not a center. he got kiled at that position last year. and when sean played the first half of the season, he was tons better than boone. he has a better game in every aspect. him getting fouls shows that he wants to be aggressive.

anyways, i disagree, that they will tarde sean. he seems like kiki's kind of guy. kiki loves camby and tied totrade for him( and that trade proposal supposedly included boone not sean) and sean is like camby somewhat.

al, are you getting word out of the organization that they are seeking to trade sean, or you think they will. i would like to know please. waiting for your response.

Alcy

Kiki mess up the Nets a few years ago With kmart , now he is gowing to do it again . RJ gone , Now Sean Will . If your not a Yi fan , what reason would you spend $200 on NBA TV for . As a Nets fan im very very disapointed . These manegers stick . Does the drug policy apply to manegers ?

Mr. Dollar Bills

Some Nets fans are out of their minds. I am not one who is on the "LEBRON IN 2010!!! OMG!!!" bandwagon, but if you're sitting there ticked off that Rod Thorn didn't keep last year's GARBAGE, PATHETIC, AND WORTHLESS team together, you need a lobotomy. I'd rather watch this team full of defenders, shooters, and youngsters led by Vince Carter(who is a class act, unlike the guy who QUIT on this team and the other guy who only cared about being an all star) and Devin Harris, a playoff tested young vet who i think will have a solid year for us, play hard every night and leave it out on the floor like men than that pack of sissies we watched "let go of the rope" countless times last season....are some of you crazy????

And I keep Boone, period. Boone was one of the few Nets that showed up every night. Williams can't even be productive in summer league, i let some other team deal with that and go with a guy that will give us what we need from the PF/C spot, rebounding, inside finishing, and defense.

dave brown

Al:

I used to be the sports editor at New Jersey Herald when you had the pro basketball beat there.

I see your stuff on Ben Maller all the time. Good job.

Congratulations on the marriage and the kid. I took a buyout and bought a tiny weekly at the triangle of Georgia, Alabama and Florida. Tell everybody I said hey.

mina

db,

boone might be a bit more polished, but youre kidding yourself if you think he has more ability than sean.

sean, in a couple of years will probably be the best shot blocker in the nba. not only that he is so much more athletically, offensively, gifted than boone. boone can even make free throws. he misses wide open layups time after time. and most of his poijnnts come off doubble teams on carter and harris for wide open layups. if you look at both guys stas, swat played less minutes and averaged over 5 rebs. boone played at least 10 more minutes and averaged 7 rebs.

boone is not a center. hje is too overmtached in size. he is a power forward that isa bench player at best.

i like boone and i dont ant them to trade him. but if it hat to be between swat and boone, thats such an easy decision. swat's upside is huge. and patience is needed. you cant deny that when swat was playing conmsistent minutes before allstar break before kiddgot traded, and before kristcis came to play, he playd tons better than boone. he made the sophmore/rookie team while boone didnt.

he is a rookie. and to say that he didnt play well in summer lague is bedsides the point. first off they had no pg play. sean hardly got the ball on the offensive end. they traeted him like a bystander. but he did show that he has a nice turn around jumper, that boone will never ever have.

he has camby, and josh smith piotential. if they trade him and he becomes that in a couple of years, that would be disastrous. they have to commit to him and develop him. this kid is trying hard. he brings a certain energy to the game that cant be duplicated. he was one of the only players that played his butt off. but frank never wanted to play him, until he got forced, by management and kidd, and when kidd got traded and kristci came back frank took the opportunity and put him in his doghouse. he killed any confidence this kid had, and it was obvious. he didnt even give him Pt when they got disqualified from th playoffs.

and frank said that he was goona try and win every game. but the l;ast game agaisnt the c's, when he saw that their bench was killing his first unit, he sidetracked his position to in every game, which probably cost them th 1st round pick that the bulls got.

anyways if they give up on sean, they are absoluterly dumb. unless tghey get a youngster with somehwat equal potential, then they cant trade him.

and they did offer boone instead of sean for camby. they will pay for marcus departue. marcus never really got a chance with frank. he played well when he started. but frank never beleived in him or gave him confidence. same with sean. same with brook, anderson, and cdr.

it would be a shame watching guys like hayes, nejara, and swift take away precious PT from the younsgetrs, expecially whn they are rebuilding.

frank needs to take a page oput of cheeks and macmillan's coaching book. gutys who stuck with their youngster no matter what.

if they trade sean, this will be disastrous. just doesnt make any basketball sense, giving up on such piotential. and this kid has a grat motor on the court. he's an energizer bunny. he's already probably the best running big man in the game.

but frank thisnk he has no character, bbiq, competevienss, and all.

well i think frabnk ghas zero bbiq. this guy had collins guarding either randolph or joe smith while boone was guarding ben wallace and curry. ghe had kidd guearding crawford who torched him with jumpers over him, and had vc guarding nate robinson. he has it all upside down. and lets not get into his motion offesne which took the nets to the worst offensive team in th league. and he also doesnt know how to teach defense. im not buying he was a good defensive coach his first couple of years. thast was the foundation scott built, and the players were still running his defense. slowly but surely that foundation started to crack, and frank could never put his team back in track.

i am absolutely sure that marcus will make frank pay, probably with his job. thron and kliki will see how well marcus plays and will know that frabnk gave up on him. ditto for sean if they trade him.

i dont know a rebuilding tezm in the nba who gives up on their most potentially gifted big after his rookie season. out of all the buigs sean possess the most potential.

again al, please let us kno if management is really looking totrade sean. if you heard something. or if its what you think.

so far out of akll the beat writers only you and kerber have been accurate with your reports.

Al Iannazzone

Hey Dave,

Good to hear from you. It was great working with you. Good luck with your newspaper and thanks for all the kind words.

Al

Al Iannazzone

Mina and everyone else,

I am not saying the Nets will trade Sean Williams. All I am saying is that they would consider it for the right deal. It's not an opinion. I've heard it from multiple sources, inside and outside of the organization.

In the original Carmelo-Camby scenario Sean was included, from what I understand. I am not sure what they were offering the last time they spoke about just Camby.

Williams has tremendous upside, but he has to show more consistency, more skill level, desire and maturity. That's what the Nets and the coaching staff are looking for. The work, desire and maturity things are big.

Marcus Williams had tremendous upside and skills, but you saw what happened with him.

Right now, Boone fits this team better because he can score in the post. (Some of you noted this team will lack scoring). Boone still needs to develop a consistent post move and be able to hit foul shots, but he has shown improvement and a willingness to work. Injuries have been his major setback.

Williams doesn't have an offensive game yet and he still makes mistakes from inexperience. He just has to keep working and he may not have the time here.

Now, it's possible Boone will be moved because anything is possible. But from what I have heard and understand it's what I wrote in the blog: Swift, Sean, Ager and Hassell are the ones the Nets would like to trade for the right parts.

Mr. Dollar Bills

Mina,

I like Sean, but you have to admit there are some red flags starting to develop about his game, regardless of point guard play some of the important stats(rebounds, blocks, keeping out of foul trouble) do not look any better than they were when he started to hit the rookie wall....imo i don't give up on him, but i dont ship out a sure thing with Boone over him either...and Boone will continue to improve and i can bet that he will become a better finisher around the rim as the games go by. I don't trade either Sean or Boone to be honest, but if we're talking about who is ready right now, it's Boone. Boone prepared to contribute every night, whereas Sean may have to be coddled and breastfed for years before he is ready. I don't like what Frank did to him last year but he was awful after the rookie game and he couldn't keep himself on the floor(some of the match ups frank put him in tho were awful tho)

i say if we can use him as a chip to fill an area of need(scorer on the perimeter if you ask me), go for it.

mina

Al,

thanks for responding to my comments.

but i disagree with you when you say boone has a betetr offensive game than sean. boone only socres on wide open layups, which he sometimes misses. sean, though, has shoow some nice moces in the post, like a turn around jumper where he is able to elevate over his man for a clean look, he has a nice mid range touch, he has show a nice hook shot with both hands, and uses the glass nicely.

you say he ahs to show more consitency, desire, skill level and maturity, isnt that the case with most rookies. i mean what do they expect from him, to be an allstar from day 1. well he has shown more skill level than boone. i havent heard anything that swat has done wrongly with his time with the nets. he's bn as mature as they can get. and consitency will only come with consistent playing time.

with the marcus situation, he just never got a fair crack at it. frank didnt commit in developing this kid. i dont think he has commited to any players development. with kristis and moore, it was more kidd and vince developing him than frank.

this coaxching staff has shown a great incompetence in developing, trusting and showing patience with youngsters.

look at nellie, every young player that has come his way ahs flourished. start with nash, dirk, howard, daniels when he played for the mavs, ellis, azuibuke, bidrens. and other player who are known as cancers and being a problem like davis, jackson, harrington, barnes and others, have thrived under him. this is no coincidence. marcus will excel with nellie, and attain his grat [potential. how is frank goona teach being a preffessional nba player when he doesnt know how it is to be an nba player, or a basketball player period. how is gonna teac them the ropes of the nba wehn he doesnt know them himslf. how is he goona teach the fundementals of the game when he dosnt know them in a practuical sense. its like he read the manual book of being an nba coach and is basing his coaching on it. whi is it its no coincidnece that most draft puiicks under frank never pan out, and under scott they pan otu.

hilton armstorng had his 3rd summer lagyue and played worse than sean. thats a guythe nets were diying to get. but the hornets wont trade him, cause scott beleives in him.

van gundy said that after west's secound year, he could be had for anything, but scott refused to give up on him. his thrid year he brokoput avreaging 17 and8. some players take more time than others, and the coaching staff has to be patient. frank only plays veterans and doesnt liek giving youngstrs a real chance to shine.

why is it teams like detroit and boston have been able to develop their late draft picks while still being able to ontend, and the nets atre rebuilding yet it seems they dont have time for the youngster to develop. does that make sense al.

why wouldnt they give sean time to develop sicne they are in a two years rebuilding effort. and maybe even more if they cant cacth the big fish in 10-11.

i dont know but it seems that sean is goona be given away for nothin. this kid will be spcial. and he showed some great potential last year when he was ranked top 3 rookies for 2 thrid of the season.

anyways al, so since they are shoppuing sean, are they also shopping boone. i fully understandf including sean in the carmelo trade. but as reported by camby';s agent, the offer for just camby was marcus, boone and maybe kristic.

i dont know but it seems that kiki is looking for fallen angels. wouldnt sean fit that description ifhe went to another team. if kiki is ibn love with camby, then why trade sean if he is kind of like a baby camby.

i would be extremly shocked if they traded such upside. unless they get a younsger with as much potential, then it makes absolutely no sense basketball wise. i ratehr have asean then tyrus thomas.

yiou know whta l, this sound slike the tyson chandler ordeal. chicago gave up on him, cause they thaght he had no character, competvienss, willingenss to improve, adn all that stuff. but they were so wrong,. chandler goes to the hornets for pj brwon, ouch, and becoems an allstar caliber player, and has shown desire, competivenss, and character. its no coincidence that scott is the coach there.

please al, can bringthat up to thorn, kiki, frabnk, or any toher memebr of the orgabnization, that givingh up on sean can be disaastrous like what hapen to chicago when they traded chandler. they still havent recovered form that.

Al Iannazzone

Will, MarkT,

I never said the Nets are going to win a championship. But they have depth, more depth than they've had for how many years.

They should be better than a 34-win team. That, of course, is assuming Vince Carter is healthy.

If you're worried about scoring, Vince and Devin will score. I think if Simmons is healthy, he could give them 12 to 15 points. Yi and Boone should average at least 10. Who knows what Lopez will give them? And then Hayes and Dooling can give them something off the bench.

This team could have balance, like the Nets' teams used to have. It doesn't have the star power and won't compete for a title, but it should be competitive. Remember, this is the Eastern Conference. You have the Celtics, Pistons, Magic, Cavaliers, Toronto, if O'Neal is healthy, Washington and then everyone else. The Nets should be in that mix.

Mr Dollar Bills

Sean has a ton of potential, I agree and he's shown that with time he MAY develop into a nice offensive player, but right now he's looking more and more like a long term project everyday.

Al, are the Nets looking to add one more scorer type player on the trade front? Not someone that is a superstar, but someone that can take some pressure off of the backcourt?

If Yi can step up for at least 15 per, that would be HUGE. I think in the type of "offense" the Nets run, he'll have a lot of chances to do so, especially with Carter and Harris attack the defense. I won't hold my breath tho, the 'kid' is being run ragged right now with all this Olympics stuff, he may be dead tired come training camp.

ricky

Al sean is way better than boone in every faucets of the game. boone got killed last year on the defensive end and his offense is terrible. most of his points last year was put backs and alley hoops. most of his rebounds we on the weak side. he doesnt block anyone cause he's simply too soft. dont get me wrong i like the guy but the only thing he has over williams is the knowledge of the game which come in time. they seem to want to give up on him because our head coach is clearly the worst in the league. he suck so bad its hard for me to watch the games with him on the side line. i mentioned few days ago that lopez is better than boone and everyone thought i was crazy but check this out 1 offensively there's no comparison 2 i believe if he plays with vince and devin along with the other starters be will be a better rebounder than what he shows in the summer league hence check his college stats. defensively he's probably already better than boone but certainly not sean. this is what i give boone he's a good student of the game and a bit smarter thats all. we need to take pressure off vince and devin thats why this kid needs to start. they will not double on our guards if he's in the game but most definately with boone. if they get rid of sean they will live to regret it till the end of days just like they are going to with marcus. anyway we will never win with loser frank. ever since he took over its been all down hill for us

Jersey_Blues

I laugh at everyone on here, who thinks Swat is better than Boone. It is simply bougs.

Boone got better as the year went on, Swat got worse. Boone was and is a double double big man, Swat is a prohect and may end up like Swift.

Ricky is way out of tune with the truth, teams fear Boone more than Swat and why cause Boone does everything right, Swat does dumb things and is kind of dumb.

Swat is nothing more than a Project, Boone is showing why he is David lee, JR.

If Swat was so great as you homers think he is, then why did he get worse in the summer league instead of getting better. Atleast Boone is working on his game, is Sean?

JayMS

The nets are in rebuilding mode and in my opinion have done a pretty good job so far but one they have failed to realize the real issue here...

Fire Lawrence Frank!! He is horrible with player development

If Byron Scott was still coach here he would do a great job with this young team, just look what he did with the hornets.

JayMS

sean williams' summer performance means nothing, he did a great job on beasley on the defensive end, his offense will get better but u cant expect it to get much better playin alongside of summer league scrubs...
once the season starts it will be easier for him to improve considering he will be playing with harris, carter and co

sean is a tyson chandler type player... perhaps a future defensive player of the yr

ricky

JayMS thank you.YOU CANT JUDGE SEAN FROM THE SUMMER LEAGUE NETS FAN TRUST ME

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